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--- tags: cofacts, meeting note GA: UA-98468513-3 --- 20200513 會議紀錄 ===== orz,bil,文武 Workis > 線上開會: https://tico.chat/powercall?room=cofactshack&type=timeFirst > 上次開會紀錄:https://g0v.hackmd.io/@mrorz/B1X4EkJcU ## 5/24 在家大松 > 「g0v 零時政府又在家黑客松 Stay Home Hackath39n」開始報名囉! > 在疫情警報解除前,黑客松仍然維持線上參與的形式,歡迎大家在各自舒適的沙發或床上一起參與 Hacking~ > 【g0v 第參拾玖次又在家黑客松 Stay Home Hackath39n】 > :bulb: 時間 Date:2020/5/23 Sat. 9:20 - 18:00 GMT+8 > :bulb: 給參與者的直播 Livesteam channel for general participants:https://youtu.be/Ub9B1MidV3k > :bulb: 討論地點 Online Chat:g0v Slack https://join.g0v.tw/ > :bulb: 報名頁面 Register for participants:https://bit.ly/g0v39thregister > :bulb: 活動共筆 Note:https://g0v.hackmd.io/@jothon/g0v-hackath39n (新手必看!!) > :bulb: 捐款支持 g0v 黑客松永續發展 Donate to g0v Hackathon:http://bit.ly/moneyg0v > > [name=ichieh, g0v#general] ### 誰會來 在家組 - nonumpa Workis 組 - mrorz - bil ### Good first issue :::danger 下週處理 ::: https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/labels/good first issue https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-site/labels/good first issue https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-api/labels/Good first issue ### 標記作業? > 上了的話 @darkbtf 就可以把我們現在標的好的資料含若水標記的資料全部打回去哩 > > [name=ggm, [g0v#cofacts](https://g0v-slack-archive.g0v.ronny.tw/index/channel/C2PPMRQGP#ts-1588662781.346900)] ## 台南 ### 2020/05/31 :::success 2020/5/31 (日) 1:30pm ~ 5:30pm ::: ~~方案 1:mrorz 講 coscup + bil 講案例~~ 方案 2:第二十次台南小聚 我兩個月前超前部署!!!!!KKtix已經好了欸打開還嚇一跳XDDD - [x] 主題: - 好想在台南小聚喔 - 主視覺:孔廟 牛肉湯 - [x] 時間:5/31 (日) 2:00pm ~ 5:00pm - [x] KKTIX(https://cofacts.kktix.cc/events/cofacteditor20) - [x] 攜帶貼紙 - bil - [x] 場地:會是[好想工作室](https://goo.gl/maps/MBd7jz6gDK3J3fJV9)(含場佈:1:30 ~ 5:30) - [x] 水 - [ ] 自備水杯 - [ ] 紙杯 - [x] 麥克風+插座+網路 - [x] 投影機 - [x] 延長線 - [ ] 食物 - Rosalind - [ ] budget: <2000NTD (NTD80 / 人) - [x] 垃圾桶 - [ ] ~~Talk~~ - [ ] 路標、黏土 - mrorz - [ ] wifi(現場有) - [ ] 小松 25 人不是問題 - [ ] Nighthawk M1 + 4G sim - [ ] ASUS RT-N12 Wireless N300 (2x 5dbi高增益天線) - [x] 誰會來呢:mrorz, bil, 文武,RR - [ ] 誰不會來: - [ ] LINE 文案 Rosalind 可以透過台南地方社群擴散 kktix done 時通知 週末 :::success 需要加印貼紙:LINE 貼圖的圖 ::: ### 2020/06/01 台南大學 型式:同政大 :::warning TODO: 需要 O/X 的 instant ::: ## Production Release Plan Discussion: https://g0v-slack-archive.g0v.ronny.tw/index/channel/C2PPMRQGP#ts-1589252345.423700 ### Versions / release scope - [API](https://cofacts-api.hacktabl.org) - https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-api/pull/153 - staging article page load 不完會不會是這個造成的? - [Website](https://cofacts.hacktabl.org) - https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-site/pull/249/ :::danger **Release blocker** - [x] ~~Reply upvote / downvote is borken in Detail page~~ Done in [PR#249](https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-site/pull/249/files), review pending - [x] article page load 不完 ([討論](https://g0v-tw.slack.com/archives/C2PPMRQGP/p1588665581350300)) - [x] No "熱門回報" in article list ([Mockup](https://www.figma.com/file/zpD45j8nqDB2XfA6m2QskO/Cofacts-website?node-id=428%3A37), [Spec](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@NFi0czulSemxCM8RNSlz8Q/HJ8xT3QVU/%2FahtI6xsFRQyxktrIlc1VcQ)) - [x] Correct "For you" filter ([Spec](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@NFi0czulSemxCM8RNSlz8Q/HJ8xT3QVU/%2FN8I2-zkJTaS35BP8VH8ZQA)) - [x] Google Tag Manager setup (see 成效追蹤 in [Spec](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@NFi0czulSemxCM8RNSlz8Q/HJ8xT3QVU/%2FahtI6xsFRQyxktrIlc1VcQ)) ::: - [Chatbot](https://lin.ee/1QUzEX4nI) - https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/pull/184 文武: load more 以前有 7~8 頁,以前可以切到第七頁去看,現在你要按很多次 orz 現在有日期 filter 但 custom date 好像一定要 start, end 都給才有作用 (好像只有 for you 的是壞的??article list 的好像可以) 文武 有日期就還好 ### Progress - [x] Deploy API: `api` image label 改 `pr153` - [ ] Deploy production english version - [x] [English Chatbot](https://lin.ee/2Ox46aqyW): Deploy `dev` branch - [x] LIFF app & env - [x] env: `ROLLBAR_CLIENT_TOKEN`, `JWT_SECRET`, `MONGODB_URI`, `LIFF_URL` - [x] Fix LIFF issue - [ ] Website: `site-en` image label 改 `pr249-en` in docker-compose file - [x] Translate to TC - [x] Chatbot PR: https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/pull/187 - [x] Website PR: https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-site/pull/253 - [ ] Introduction text > TBA - [ ] Deploy production TC version - [x] Chatbot: - [x] env: `ROLLBAR_CLIENT_TOKEN`, `JWT_SECRET`, `MONGODB_URI`, `LIFF_URL` - [x] merge to `master` and push - [ ] Website: `site-zh` image 改 `tbd` in docker-compose file ### Rollbar quota available :::spoiler Rumors-line-bot + rumors-site ![](https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/g0v-hackmd-images/uploads/upload_77ed2efcd125790032a11d139787f519.png) ::: :::spoiler rumors-api + url-resolver ![](https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/g0v-hackmd-images/uploads/upload_a24cdf325d7e5b89fedc84083eeb1f5a.png) ::: ## Youtube API audit Discussion: https://g0v-slack-archive.g0v.ronny.tw/index/channel/C2PPMRQGP#ts-1589175218.421000 > 上週 Cofacts 配合 Youtube API Services Team 的 audit 調查,對方表示 Cofacts 在下面兩點不合格: > > 1. 沒有在 Privacy 與 ToS 中提及 Youtube ToS - Policy #: https://developers.google.com/youtube/terms/developer-policies#a.-api-client-terms-of-use-and-privacy-policies|III.A.1,2 > 2. 沒有每 30 天就重新更新爬到的 non-authorized 資料 - Policy #: https://developers.google.com/youtube/terms/developer-policies#e.-handling-youtube-data-and-content|III.E.4.a-g > > 2 的部分就就滿討厭的,不只技術上很煩,也會影響 Cofacts 的使用——一但原始謠言影片被下架,30 天內資料庫被強制更新,那個影片的 title 與 description 就會被洗掉。 > > 我在 audit 時給的例子就很明顯,謠言本體剛好是個被下架的影片,拿另一個被重新上架的影片去查,還能查到對應的訊息:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hlFszsLV9uUJl17L40o6AGZVtyAEoTcLA76wSz969QI/edit > (註: 步驟裡的那個 query 影片之前還活著,大概最近幾天也下架了⋯⋯) > > Cofacts 之所以製作 URL preview,其中一個目的就是為了保存訊息被回報的當下,連結裡面的內容,以供未來查詢比對。如果要求我們每 30 天要更新,效果會大打折扣,以上面這個 COVID-19 陰謀論的例子來說,甚至會影響到 COVID-19 的防疫。 ### Data retention 問題 bil:google 會先了解狀況 ### Terms & Privacy review As-is - [網站 Cofacts TOS](https://hackmd.io/mFSlWs4IQke_9RnFAOWlfQ) - [Chatbot TOS](https://hackmd.io/t2DSbtU9RsS8cNTi-uLtSQ) :::warning - 要改什麼 - III.A.1 state in their own terms of use that, by using those API Clients, users are agreeing to be bound by the YouTube Terms of Service + link - III.A.2.a. be prominently displayed and easily accessible to users at all times - 如何公布 - 時程 ::: bil: 等 google 回信 ## Chatbot 「過去傳過訊息」 實作 https://g0v.hackmd.io/eIeU2g86Tfu5VnLazNfUvQ?view#Implementation-detail-2020510 ## userId / appId 管理 https://g0v.hackmd.io/ZcoUOX_-RQSkJyl5xz4_Zg?view ## 組織化 :::info Comparison: see [20200506](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@mrorz/B1X4EkJcU) Cofacts 業務為維護產品、單一社群的經營與營造,有較單一的目標;與社群行政工作較為不同,因此對外的機會也不同(grant)。 而 Cofacts 在進行 funded project 時,很可能會排擠到 OCF 服務其他國內社群的資源。因此若 Cofacts 本身能有法人、可以自理的話,就不用佔用 OCF 有限的服務社群的資源。 ::: 公司 v.s. 非營利組織 bil 差別: - 非營利組織對會員大會負責,公司監督比較少 - 沒有獲利模式的話要自己養公司。雖然還是可以接贊助,但不確定是否適合。 會費? 組織章程會寫收入來源,其中一個是會費。 bil 不希望請求會員繳交會費,i.e. 章程寫會費是 0。 所以可能就只靠 grant 剩餘款 lucien 靠募捐的話可以不用收會費嗎 bil 一定要收,但是可以多可以少 lucien 要給會員什麼東西嗎 bil 最少會有大會的選舉投票權,改選理事長(四年一次)與董事 lucien Cofacts 提供的查核服務還滿具體的 bil 組織會有財報、會計師簽核 租用募捐系統 etc。 ## Gamification Lucien 每日任務 看系統的目標是什麼 例如說是增加回應的話, 那妹個人回來做的前幾個事情就是回新訊息 然後第一、二個任務給予高回饋,或更明確的效果,讓他想要回來 登入後的「等你來查」會有本日任務 要先討論 metrics 要訂哪一個 再來是要不要鼓勵跟謠言互動,而是鼓勵人跟人互動 例如現在回報的時候有討論 查核討論 orz 我想到的 metric 是維持現在 9:1 的有用沒用比例 lucien 可以訂一些像是一篇回應要有 10 人 review 之類的 feedback 一個是經驗值,另一個是遊戲特效 micro-interaction 導入 global toast 進去 文武 遊戲有些是畫個框框 使用者就會想要把它填滿 lucien 現在有一排洞了 如果是展示目的性的話,假設有 10 個洞,有 5 個完成,個人頁面會顯示 5 個東西,點進去才會看到 10 個洞 看會不會要把展示跟自己看的頁面分開 orz 如果 hoax for you 那一頁要放每日任務 那感覺好像還可以放在那裡 lucien 變成成就的東西可能會在那一頁出現 (聊遊戲) orz 為什麼遊戲可以創造一種回饋 又沒有發錢 lucien 遊戲會給的是一種在社群之間的影響力的虛擬的貨幣 年輕人因為時間比較便宜所以會願意花時間獲得這種貨幣 而比較有影響力的人則會尋求把現有的影響力 convert 到這種獲益的東西 對 cofacts 來說,查訊息的人不是要關注的點 而是要創造出讓查核者覺得有價值的東西 如果能做一些營運 例如說今日排行、熱門文章的排行 讓使用者知道,自己的回應是被很多人傳誦的,知道自己的回應有影響力 後面就是看要不要燒錢用 email 寄送 orz 熱門文章的排行 --> [community builder for 小編](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@mrorz/B1X4EkJcU#New-idea-Social-media-toolkit) 不過那個是進 facebook group,對網站來說是一種外掛,跟網站整個是平行的系統 但也可以視為一種 MVP ## Hackfoldr 整理 - 新文件 - [Dev doc](https://hackmd.io/@mrorz/r1nfwTrgM) + [ER model](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@mrorz/S1caurZq8) - Updated [database relation graph](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@mrorz/S1caurZq8) - hackmd book mode 替代 hackfoldr? - beta.hackfoldr.org/cofacts --> ethercalc.org/cofacts --> Google spreadsheet --> display,載入在很差的網路下要數十秒,且 ethercalc 回應速度不穩定 - Hackmd book mode: https://hackmd.io/@cofacts/HkvKIkO9U - 可[自訂 URL](https://hackmd.io/c/tutorials-tw/%2Fs%2Fhow-to-share-note-tw): `/home` ? `/index` ? - 可[自訂 CSS](https://hackmd.io/c/tutorials-tw/%2F%40docs%2Fcustomize-font-color-zh) 甚至做出 [dark mode](https://hackmd.io/c/tutorials-tw/%2Fs%2Fhow-to-embed-note-tw#%E9%80%B2%E9%9A%8E%E9%81%8B%E7%94%A8%EF%BC%9A%E5%B5%8C%E5%85%A5%E8%83%8C%E6%99%AF%E4%B8%BB%E9%A1%8C) - Hackmd 主站 team space - https://hackmd.io/team/cofacts?nav=overview - 但新的會議紀錄仍然應該放在 g0v hackmd,因為主站免費版的圖會放在 imgur,[放久了會消失](https://hackmd.io/c/tutorials-tw/%2F%40docs%2Fhow-to-upload-images-in-team-tw) - Backward Compatibility - cofacts.g0v.tw/hack --> 直接換成新的 - 所有文件保留,以免 break 過去的超連結 (email 裡面應該有不少⋯⋯) - bit.ly/cofacts-quickstart --> 同上,繼續放著 - 但裡面的 URL 可以通通換成 book mode - 首頁放上新 hackmd book mode 說明,並且鎖定 hackfoldr spreadsheet 編輯權限

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