丹麥學者專家訪臺團對談會

--- tags: jothon, g0v-intl, denmark description: 外交部歐洲司介紹五位來自丹麥的學者、專家將訪臺，希望可以認識 g0ver 與 g0v 社群。 tittle: 丹麥學者專家訪臺團對談會 --- # 丹麥學者專家訪臺團對談會主題：瞭解 g0v 社群 > 外交部歐洲司介紹五位來自丹麥的學者、專家將訪臺，希望可以認識 g0ver 與 g0v 社群。時間：2020.01.08（三） 16:30-18:00 地點：[KITCHEN LAB, NPO HUB](https://g.page/NPOHUBTaipei?share)（g0v jothon office）出席：丹麥學者專家、外交部歐洲司人員、g0v jothon、g0v-intl 備註：g0v jothon 將準備少量茶飲（可不可紅茶綠茶共 13 杯）與點心，請務必報名並請提早到場入座。 # 其他出席報名 > 有興趣出席的 g0ver 歡迎報名，請在 2020.01.07 TUE 18:00 之前簽到，若未報名，請勿直接前來與會。 > 範例：Bess, g0v jothon ael, Disfactory peace, vtaiwan mg, mom # 會議內容 > > [name=ael] I try my best to record but can't type all converation. Denmark delegation background: - Think Tank - hate speech, disinformation - security in East Asia, China influence g0v participant intro: clkao: engineer, g0v introduction isabel: law consultant, g0v-intl to outreach global community, Facing the Ocean Hackathon with Japan and Korea chihao: g0v-intl, technologist in independent media, 0archive to backup media and content farm articles as disinformation database bess: Jothon, bi-weekly hackathon, zero-school: education applications ichieh: Jothon Peace: marketing in publisher, NGO, media, vTaiwan. change social issue by technology ael: PM in Disfactory, writer, will write collaborative tool mg: Anthropologist, Mom, based in Boston ### Disinformation and fake news Q1: trade out on freedom of speech and anti-disinformation clkao: this is the 4th eletion g0v community experience. The very beginning is more to understand what is going on in election. Campaign finance to be more transparent. The campaign finance is only open to public in print. Some first attemps are to get digital political contributions as dataset. 1. Crowdsourcing: citizens to bring ID cards to scan the printed file 2. OCR: 3. cut into small blocks 4. online game as reCAPTCHA to digitalize 5. 30 k records digitalized by 10 k people 6. legal lobby: 5 years after we started. Open digital files 6 months after election. Q2: Do you see China influence in the project? clkao: main stream media follow up the stories behind it. A good report to pay one side. There is no direct links to china because it is a public document Q3: anything related to election? chihao: Voter guide since 2014 completeing dataset: current and past policy, laws they proposed. Q4: You don't affiliate with any political parties? chihao: no, and we are a community not legal entity. People can come and go. isabel: bess and ichieh are staff clkao: there is always individual position. choose what data and what project you work on show your values already. Q5: What issues do you do to make sure the candidates chihao: 2020 Voter Guide: no priorities and suggestions. just show public records. Show Facebook political ad. past law and attendance rate (showing the website) Q: do you add lobby meeting records? isabel: no. Q: EU level lobby meeting records are open isabel: g0v open source projects. others can fork Q; what is your relation with political parties? chihao: each project has their own governance models. I personally don't affiliate to any parties clkao: we encourage political parties and government officials to propose in the hackathon Q: how the government react to g0v? you are changing the government should look like. thats is the original idea clkao: it depends on different government agencies. data visualization and politic contributions and candidate opinions( now release before election ) are good stories. government is a complicated machine. OGP initiatives Audrey There will be something like OGP action plan of open government at the end of Jan. Q: Cofacts project. Hear more about that project and other disinformation projects? isabel: I provide legal consulting to them. Cofacts is a Line bot that you can forward messages to Cofacts line bot. into database volunteers to do factchecks monthly meetup for editors weekly developer meetup legal advice on copyright. New law will affect it?( didn't hear what law it is，反滲透法) they actually just combine existing laws and redefine What is the punishment? clkao: all the efforts trying to combact mis, dis, mal- information. They are dealing with rumors spreading in closed group. how many people are using it? clkao: they prepare dataset as open data. and open source their codes. 美玉姨 clkao: at first it is not targeting political messages but messages on health. q: like vaccinne ? isabel: yes and cofacts has a fork in Thailand. Q: international collaboration. How do you assesst the strength and situation compared to Korea and Japan. clkao: we have more 嚴重的 threat chihao: we are more awared. isabel: Japan media is more neutral. chihao: Many Korean friedns told me they are not reading main stream media. ......not recording because typing too slow Q: resilience towards disinformation trust in established media in Sweden, debate on immigrants are underground. more like taboos in Denmark Q: do you have taboos clkao: I don't think so. Everything is discussed netizen movement support groups for young people to talking to older generation Camila: you facilitate conversations that traditionally initiated by traditional media? isabel: bring more people to discuss chihao: the founder of cofacts was concerned about rumors on LGBTQ+ in g0v, good thing is that we don't just talk about worries but also build solutions. ...... ael: factcheck alliance initiated by HC no clear line chihao: many media. flourishing fields you don't know how to build a trust of random websites just popping up yesterday. Q: what are the sources you personally read for this elections? isabel: for me. it is more from Facebook. Before election, we talked to Facebook Taiwan. They are doing something in this election. clkao: Facebook actions: Political ad transparency Takedown transparency policy q: do you expect more regulation on social media? clkao:I don't think we have consensus isabel: personally, I want to work with people globally to make those policies more transparent. How they decide things clkao: regulation on the level requires transparency. content regulation will be more debates chihao: Taiwanese are really sensitive to freedom of speech : Germany has more strict regulations. Singapore is strict, too There is a new case: example of fake news are report of Human Right Watch on media freedom of Singapore isabel: ... q: public pressure on disinformation regulation? chihao: it is not wide discussion. mostly in people working in the field ... 0archive: backing up news and content farms under g0v model: open source and transparent open source codes and open source dataset monitoring 130 website 200k articles: tracking their version clkao: similar efforts tracking news titles by ronnywang q: what kind of patterns do you see? chihao: those questions... we need to look into data first, can't answer at this time clako: the original idea is to find the flow of some certain news q: the food chain? yes q: what is a content farm? clkao: operators that don't own their own contents but put articles on their websites q: how serious the problem of disinformation in Taiwan? chihao: for me, 11 out of 10. Taiwan is a place that can not afford experiments what sources we trust our soverinty is very fragile. ... q: moral panic. When you are panic, you don't make wise dicision isabel: each side calls each other being "brainwashed" ... clkao: disinformation is now weaponized I do believe when people cultivate it is more important what we can do in the process issues not tackled in elections but also in normal time how to debate and deliberate in day to day democracy q: generational thing. whats the bottom-up thing isabel: in g0v, try to collaborate together to make changes don't just complaint find solutions with others you can propose those ideas and work together we are trying to invite more older generation to our community this year they can feel the energy in the community make people more included chihao: I met one staff from 國史館 she showed me the dataset of 228 incidents we work together she was the age as my Mom might sound 嬉皮 q: what you should identify the disinformation concern you the most? isabel: they simplyze issues chiaho: I see many consiparacy theory ... 主權 china threat chihao: one country two system is a large disinformation China policy is to make friends ... ael: it is more like reshaping narratives on whether Taiwan economics is good or narratives on US-China Trade War national identiy ... clkao: more propoganda ... ... q: HK affects the poll? more Taiwanese change their attitude? ... isabel: we are too far away from Southern part of Taiwan we are away from their perspectives chihao: for most young people, HK is a proof of one country 2 system wdoesn't work. ... ###