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--- tags: cofacts, meeting note GA: UA-98468513-3 --- 20230214 會議記錄 ===== :::info - [所有會議記錄](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@mrorz/cofacts-meeting-notes/) - Workis: bil, mrorz, Maya - 線上出席:nonumpa, 4000 - https://gather.town/app/z3x18KQFgZCX8MeZ/cofacts ::: ## :potable_water: Release pipeline ### :rocket: Staging #### :robot_face: rumors-line-bot https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/pull/341/files https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/issues/338 - next week (Testing next week) ##### ⛔️ Release Blockers ##### 未竟項目 #### :globe_with_meridians: Site https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-site/pull/528 ##### Testing checklist http://dev.cofacts.tw/ 看看 footer link 的呈現方式 ##### ⛔️ Release Blockers ##### 未竟項目 - 手機版 footer 沒有在 sidebar - 手機版 footer 本來東西就比較少 ### :eye: Under review - [Community builder - link to video and audio](https://github.com/cofacts/community-builder/pull/17) ## 大松檢討 https://g0v.hackmd.io/@cofacts/meetings/%2FvE5C1eZLTaKBDsTzW0Up_A - Alvin takes [website preview](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@cofacts/rd/%2Fgu_hAI6tTeaeBuNUgGpq-g), will create new repo for us to fork ## Group message tracking > See https://g0v.hackmd.io/JwPNRGY_SP26xTIegK_tqQ?both#Group-message-tracking > - 2023/2/14 3am 起每一小時重啟 chatbot - 尚未調降 threshold ## Error analysis > https://g0v.hackmd.io/@cofacts/rd/%2Fmkb9Wr_2SrCbbiLCv_7-EQ > - 2/11 時自己好了 - 結案 (?) ## SEO spammer - Announcement: https://github.com/cofacts/takedowns/pull/89 - FB: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cofacts/posts/3503763443188793 - Slack: https://g0v-slack-archive.g0v.ronny.tw/index/channel/C2PPMRQGP/2023-02#ts-1676099658.869559 :::success 無異議,merge https://github.com/cofacts/takedowns/pull/89 後執行 ::: ## 色情 mitigation - Legal change: - Site - https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-site/pull/527 - Line bot - https://github.com/cofacts/rumors-line-bot/pull/340 - FB: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cofacts/posts/3503792703185867 - 讓專案停擺風險太高,應刪除 [name=michael li] - 同意 [name=bil] - Slack: https://g0v-slack-archive.g0v.ronny.tw/index/channel/C2PPMRQGP/2023-02#ts-1676103195.257579 :::success - Merge legal changes - Write new takedown notice for pornography contents ::: ## CCPRIP ### [Comm Layer] Crowd-source transcript > Yjs 沒有最終的歷史紀錄,要自己在 hocuspocus 另外存 > [onStoreDocument](https://tiptap.dev/hocuspocus/api/hooks/on-store-document) 拿到的資料是 YDoc,可能要轉回 TipTap data schema,只拿裡面的 text 存到 cofacts 資料庫 > [name=nonumpa] > - YDoc 會存每一行是誰寫的嗎 [name=mrorz] - 主要是比對用 [name=nonumpa] - 會留存我們紀錄的 metadata [name=nonumpa] - ES index --> YDoc history - for 紀錄每一行誰寫的 - 無法直接 search,因為是他自己的 binary(keyword 格式) - `articles` index --> 最新的純文字(可 index 的 text) - 搜尋用 - `onStoreDocument` 會很頻繁嗎 - 有 debounce,預設全部的人停止之後 2~3 秒後才會呼叫 - 使用者紀錄,如果兩個人同時打的話不一定分辨得出來 [name=nonumpa] - How to auth? Where does hocuspocus host? ### [Op layer] API access management > [API access management](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@cofacts/rd/%2F51wwLHgvSUqtBDaP-yAVnA) - Pending for 2 years - Spec not consolidated yet - Scope involves API, site, line-bot, community builder, ...etc - Needs to converge all domains first? (Simplify login setup) - Proceed - 放了好幾年都沒想到拆開的 use case - Any chance we have external resources on this? :::success 1. Redirect all traffic of cofacts.g0v.tw and cofacts.org to cofacts.tw 2. 諮詢認識的 developer ::: ## Adopting Twitter community notes to site - [Discussion lastweek](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@cofacts/Bk-7SZn3i#Twitter-birdwatch--Community-notes) - [Notes](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@cofacts/rd/%2FoK1F5q4eRV2IhGM-8ULTdQ) > 其實我在想,隨著選舉接近,LINE 上的言論空間也會變得兩極化 > Community note 裡面到處提醒(催眠?)「be helpful, even to those disagree」的作法 > 加上給評價時也把「語調中性」等作為可以勾選的選項 或許是滿值得借鏡的,甚至可以納入 CCPRIP 的 community layer 之中 > 我覺得 community notes 的遣詞用字,處處可以看到他們試圖讓美國的兩極化社會也能共同協作的努力 > [name=mrorz] > > be helpful 也是當時作為 g0v 新參者感受很深的一件事 \o > [name=bil] - 提案:選前樹立 common value 並試圖落實至查核回應 - 顯示 common values 在 article detail 側邊欄 - 註冊時顯示 common values - 評分時圍繞著 common value 顯示 checkbox - 也可以抄 Twitter 的選項 - Common values - 「Cofacts 價值」 - 參考 [Twitter common values](https://twitter.github.io/communitynotes/values/) - [零時政府宣言](https://g0v.tw/intl/zh-TW/manifesto/) - Wikimedia Taiwan - 中立評論大法 :https://www.facebook.com/WSOTK/posts/4314465108778736/ [name=cai] - 這個有點像細部操作,可以放細節裡 [name=mrorz] - common value ideas - 來幫忙,不是來吵架 - 這裡不是匿名粉專。你寫的字,其他人傳到群組時,是用自己的身份 - 收到訊息的人也很困擾,罵傳訊息的人沒有幫助。 - 罵寫回應的人也沒有幫助。自己寫一篇影響力最大。 - 包容異己,好好說話 - 試想一則激昂的謠言被傳入群組,擾動了群組成員的情緒。此時,成員會比較能接受什麼樣的內容?是另一則憤慨的指控,還是嘗試和緩情緒、提供客觀事實與不同意見的查核回應? - 好好說話,回應更能被使用與傳播在異溫層的聊天視窗中。 - 不要隨意指控民主社會中對政府與對權力者的正常質疑。提供數據與客觀的解讀。 - Our Values [name=bil] > Transparency > Gender equity > social issue discourse even though someone you disagree > Strengthen democratic action > 我們的價值: > 資訊透明 > 重視性別平等 > 創造不同意的空間,對不同的社會議題進行討論 > 強化民主行動 - (brainstorm~) -(若有熱戰爆發等客觀資訊取得困難的情形下除外) :::success Slack 討論,下週搜集、converge、重排? ::: ## 下週開會 - 回到週三,但改全線上? - 台灣時間週三 8pm - 不借 Workis

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