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--- tags: Rentea, CoRent --- # 2021-03-30 長租疑難排解 身為一個想要長期租下整層公寓,改裝成自己想要的空間的房客,我想要釐清以下問題,確認這個方向,是改善居住品質的可行管道。 本文件以 CC-BY 4.0 授權,歡迎一起回答與補充。 :::info 關於前情提要,與目前的進度,請參見[開始看屋-規劃篇](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@ddio/corent/https%3A%2F%2Fg0v.hackmd.io%2F7g8m5QJ9S_aaU0q35J429g) ::: 1. 簽約、解約等法律問題 1. 合約怎麼寫、溝通,才能確保裝修費用不會因為中途被解約而拿不回來 - 冷氣更新等無法帶走的家具 - 地板鋪設 2. 漏水、璧癌的責任歸屬 3. 公證可以減少上述裝修費用的問題嗎?實務上房東如何看待公證? 2. 裝修實務問題 1. 除了 591 等租屋平台外,推薦的找屋管道? 2. 想知道老公寓的低成本改造可能: 1. 泥做磁磚 + 底部鋁拉門流理臺([參考範例](https://photos.app.goo.gl/hzQEH3itNMcFGxUKA)) - 原本想用木作包起來,但看來木工不一定願意做? - 若要敲掉,有什麼可能的風險,統包的步驟大約有哪些? 2. 水路是明管的浴室,整理時需要注意什麼嗎?([參考範例](https://photos.app.goo.gl/Mwr8TFbxCsQVT74F7fa)) - 像是要做乾溼分離 4. 有推薦的 DIY 上手順序嗎?例如哪些是自學可以承受,哪些最好交給專業工班? 5. 可參考目前正在談合約的[永和公寓](https://g0v.hackmd.io/_Rw6AQYQSRmbD9cwp4BwRw?view#%E6%B0%B8%E5%92%8C-%E7%93%A6%E7%AA%AF%E6%BA%9D%E4%B8%89%E6%88%BF%E9%82%8A%E9%96%93%E5%85%AC%E5%AF%93-25-3-2-1-1) 3. 合作經濟實驗 - TBD ### 有興趣一起討論的請簽到,並註明方便參與的時間(實體 or 線上都可) 1. ddio ,平日晚上都可,平日二四白天都可,假日都可 2. Peace,平日一、三、五晚上,假日。第一、三周二晚上 3. aniii,平日晚上、假日,最好前一周確認時間可先空下來 ### 崔媽媽進度更新 > 總之先寫信問問 - 2021-04-06 [name=ddio] > > 崔媽媽你好, > > 我是冠駿,過去一年組織了一個定期聚會 Rentea,想要從房客角度出發,為居住議題多長一種解決方案。目前正在嘗試建立合作經濟組織,自己透過長租,結合成員的資源,將自己的租屋處整理成舒服,而且經濟可負擔的住所,改善居住品質。 > > 因為大家都不是法律專業,在思考長租空間,自行整理時,不確定可以如何透過租約,保障自己投入的裝潢成本,不會因為房東中途解約,發生損失,另外也有聽說,房東不一定會願意透過合約,承擔提前解約的裝修成本。 > > 具體來說,我們想詢問的狀況如下:(見上文共筆) > > 想問不知道能否詢問崔媽媽,對長租、裝潢、公證之間的關係,有沒有什麼看法呢? > > 如果方便的話,通信、電話討論,或是直接約時間見面,都是我們可以的方式。 > > 如果想先看看 Rentea 過去做過的事情,可以參考: > > 1. [為什麼把租屋,當作居住的解方之一](https://medium.com/rentea-tuesday/%E9%81%B8%E6%93%87%E7%A7%9F%E5%B1%8B-%E4%B9%9F%E8%83%BD%E5%BB%BA%E7%AB%8B%E6%B0%B8%E7%BA%8C%E7%9A%84%E5%B1%85%E4%BD%8F%E6%96%B9%E6%A1%88%E5%97%8E-4ea401b3f081) > 2. 過去的活動共筆,以及做過的所有專案: https://g0v.hackmd.io/@ddio/rentea-tue > 3. 合作租屋提案:https://g0v.hackmd.io/okUbXH1wS-GvEIMJoOwCBQ > 4. 目前正在進行的,合作租屋前期實驗 - 第一間房子提案:https://g0v.hackmd.io/@ddio/corent > > 無任感激 > 冠駿 敬上 > 2021-05-12 [name=ddio] > 打電話去崔媽媽詢問可能的諮詢對口,確定要找法律部門的曹主管。 > 等幾天沒消息的話,再寫信約線上會議好了 XD ### 玖樓進度更新 > 2021-05-12 更新 [name=ddio] > 和玖樓負責公寓裝修顧問的文哲,線上聊了半小時,除了提供了各種裝修建議外,也表示合約、報稅才是難關,期待可以一起做出方便和房東溝通的稅務試算懶人包。 > #### 裝修建議 > - 廚房牆面可用乳膠漆或晴雨漆,油污較易清除,重點區域也可用電鍍玻璃 > - 地板有推薦的 1300 塑膠地板~ > - 廁所 > - 馬桶一律建議打掉重來,使用感覺好超多,也不貴 > - 地板可用水泥粉光 > > #### 合約建議 > - 建議裝修成本由房東出,日後爭議較小,畢竟裝修帶不走 > - 討論過程中,要讓房東意識到這些裝修,都是會留給他的,才容易理解好處 > - 房東的成本計算和房客不同,因為裝修可以用很久,不會有三五年就要攤提的問題 > - 若必須自己出,則要讓裝修成本盡快收回,例如簽三年約,但兩年 + 違約金就要回本,減少房東中途解約時的損失 > - 如果讓中間的物管或品牌公寓出,最後還是會墊高租金,讓租金太高 > > #### 稅務挖坑 > - 目前大多房東不願報稅,因為規則繁瑣,各地規則也不同,沒有明顯的好處 > - 對房客也不一定好,如果因為報稅而拉高房租,但又不確定可申請到租金補貼的話,就會兩頭空 > - 需要建立「第一次見面就能說服房東」的流程,讓他明確知道報稅的權利義務,才有機會讓他同意 > - 也要建立房客的「快速了解合法租賃的好處」流程,理解所在地的租屋補貼、稅務條件,以及自己平均可以申請到的機會,才能評估實際的租屋開銷 {%hackmd 1LO5rpavTiK4_cFrTouudg %}

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