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--- tags : vTaiwan小松 --- # 20191002 vTaiwan 小黑客松 時間:2019/10/02 週三 19:00-21:00 地點:社會創新實驗中心 2F A9 會議室(地圖:https://goo.gl/maps/X65uN9PFXAo) 待辦事項區:[vTaiwan 待辦事項(歡迎認領工作)](https://g0v.hackpad.tw/vTaiwan--AuHFzoOJk7o) 出席:Peter, Scott, Wade, 哲輔, 怡孜, Ai, Peace, 子魚 線上組:Ronny 線上參與連結:https://meet.jit.si/vtaiwan Wifi:PDIS_Public_5G/ji394pdis、startup99/306306306 主持人(facilitator): Translation:[English](https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fg0v.hackpad.tw%2Fep%2Fpad%2Fstatic%2FleY4KC9wlOL&sandbox=1) 預定流程 18:30-19:00 報到 Arrival and Registration 19:00-19:15 開場、自我介紹 19:15-19:30 確認討論議程 19:30-21:00 討論&hacking 21:00-21:30 成果分享&決定下週主持人 下週主持人: 提案(自己的小松自己提案) --- * ronny: 政府公開研究或會議記錄留存規範討論 * 常常因為政黨輪替或是因為政策變動,舊的會議記錄或是研究報告也會下架,導致難以找到舊討論,想討論是否能有機制或規範保留舊文件 * 台灣案例 * 法規只有對留存做規範,但沒有對公開做規範 * [政權轉移/政策改變後 被消失的那些資料](https://g0v.hackpad.tw/--qMqNgMJFxDu) * 2017 政治大學舉行(內政部委託)公民審議的會議紀錄被移除 * 內政部也解釋,公民審議的意見已納入後續的規劃考量,因時空變遷,實際規劃內容已有調整,為避免民眾混淆,因此於去(107)年關閉該區網路資料,以確保提供民眾最新正確資訊。 * PETER:覺得能達到避免混淆的做法有很多,未必要用完全關閉來做 * 國家發展委員會檔案管理局 * 檔案法: * https://law.moj.gov.tw/LawClass/LawAll.aspx?PCode=A0030134 * 第 2 條 * 本法用詞,定義如下: * 一、政府機關:指中央及地方各級機關(以下簡稱各機關)。 * 二、檔案:指各機關依照管理程序,而歸檔管理之文字或非文字資料及其附件。 * 三、國家檔案:指具有永久保存價值,而移歸檔案中央主管機關管理之檔案。 * 四、機關檔案:指由各機關自行管理之檔案。 * 小編產出的東西算不算檔案?有做檔案留存嗎? * 政府資訊公開法: * https://law.moj.gov.tw/LawClass/LawAll.aspx?PCode=I0020026 * 政府資訊主動公開和被動公開,被動公開>>要填寫申請書 * 第 18 條 * 三、政府機關作成意思決定前,內部單位之擬稿或其他準備作業。但對公益有必要者,得公開或提供之。 * 立法理由:https://github.com/ronnywang/tw-law-corpus/blob/master/%E5%9C%8B%E5%AE%B6%E7%99%BC%E5%B1%95/%E6%94%BF%E5%BA%9C%E8%B3%87%E8%A8%8A/%E6%94%BF%E5%BA%9C%E8%B3%87%E8%A8%8A%E5%85%AC%E9%96%8B%E6%B3%95.md#%E7%AC%AC%E5%8D%81%E5%85%AB%E6%A2%9D-%E9%99%90%E5%88%B6%E5%85%AC%E9%96%8B%E6%88%96%E4%B8%8D%E4%BA%88%E6%8F%90%E4%BE%9B%E4%B9%8B%E6%94%BF%E5%BA%9C%E8%B3%87%E8%A8%8A * https://www.grb.gov.tw/ * 利害關係人在哪? * 開放跟不開放之間的界線在哪裡(法條解釋) * 如何將資料請求的困難能夠generalize,不會被各部會個案處理 * 我們需要的是快速搜尋資料的工具,能夠知道資料的meta data(索引)。 * 政黨輪替是否會影響資料開放與否的標準 * 外國案例 * 美國: * National Archives and Records Administration 國家檔案和記錄管理局 負責留存所有的檔案記錄 * [Obama 總統的 twitter](https://twitter.com/potus44) * [Obama 總統府網站](https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/) * 哲輔:有沒有要做數位身分證的諮詢會議啦~~~ * Ronny: FB 上有個朋友提到一點,「數位身份證」跟「晶片身份證」可能是兩個議題 From https://www.facebook.com/vtaiwan.tw/posts/1378618408967867?comment_id=1378658225630552 * [「晶片國民身分證?」開放決策工作坊 - 成果資料](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dlJ1_clO7qymeEeB_wFqvuHYFDgHnsOm/view?fbclid=IwAR1az81a0sn4PF4JCaMo2FW3sKB7Ca3uyX57xbgLFCoBysV0_LAlTdCpgdQ) * [「晶片國民身分證?」開放決策工作坊 - 議題手冊](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M5BwL49AUj-XkDHM7itUYM5hPIwyUuLi/view?fbclid=IwAR3Mjm0tgbpnQBvHw8NWPef_cPKmU7ePQCt80rKPHzeOuCddAtHzXJcMNl0) * [晶片國民身分證研討會 - 紀錄](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YGBrqBgWNPQ1w5LmN3_jAaa9na2IPGa-ymTm5ic7wGY/edit?fbclid=IwAR20fyzazyglh3jPCVX8zVow3eh8HqRxf_tTkftf8GJ6MYreabRYTFg37bs#heading=h.9n8j1mww8buh) * 實務上有空間讓我們做這題的諮詢會議嗎?會不會政府根本不想來反正他們就是要推&台權會之類的反對團體也不想來因為來等於被摸頭之類的? 分享 --- todo(想在小松完成的事情) --- 1. (Scott) Ouishare 的朋友十月會去台灣一趟,可能想來小松看看 1. 具體的時間是下次的10/9,但那個時候我因為出國旅遊不在 2. 想想看要準備些什麼材料 小松果 --- * 假如因為政策變動或政黨輪替,原來的研究報告或是會議記錄下架了,該怎麼辦呢?今天在討論這議題跟哪些法律有關,有哪些利害關係人呢?? * 生日快樂 x 2 vtaiwan 基金餘額 --- * 本日花費: * 本日現場贊助: * 捐款: * 餘額:

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