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--- tags: Rentea --- # Rentea Tuesday #30 小筆記 - 文件授權: [CC-BY-4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.zh_TW) - 地點: Jitsi 線上視訊~ - 網址: https://meet.jit.si/rentea-tuesday - 建議使用 Chrome 或手機 App 開啟,較不容易斷線 - 時間: 2021-08-03, 19:30 - 21:30 - 報名請在此簽到: - ddio - peace - (hkazami 無法QQ) - stella ## 未開放實體聚會期間 來參加活動前,請: - 確認視訊會議器材運作正常,並盡量使用耳機,減少回音。 - 確認被攝影機拍到的部份,包含服裝與背景,沒有不可告人的畫面,也可使用虛擬背景,或不開鏡頭。 - 歡迎各種食物酒水、室友小孩與重要他人入鏡,但記得先徵得對方同意。 更多視訊會議秘訣,請參見 [g0v 視訊會議小秘訣](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@jothon/r1jZoue0U) ## 本次小聚主題 小聚依然是照往例的閒聊,想要分享什麼的,可以在這兒登記 - CoRentea 近況聊聊 - 室內設計、風格收集 - 第一張水電估價單 - ==歡迎直接在這裡,加上你想要聊的題目== ### 新參者入門 鑑於 Rentea 小聚已有各種累積,包含租屋與居住產業的關係、為什麼想強調合作經濟而非純商業經營,歡迎第一次報名的人,請[閱讀此投影片](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1npSfDj9LPqHDLgB8r1aZKP2meSicBESnx8oSRTEGjnE/edit#slide=id.p),了解 Rentea 參與者的基本共識,也可參考 [Rentea Tue Hackmd](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@ddio/rentea-tue/) 閱讀完整資訊: 1. [為什麼要關注租屋,把它當作居住的解方之一](https://medium.com/rentea-tuesday/%E9%81%B8%E6%93%87%E7%A7%9F%E5%B1%8B-%E4%B9%9F%E8%83%BD%E5%BB%BA%E7%AB%8B%E6%B0%B8%E7%BA%8C%E7%9A%84%E5%B1%85%E4%BD%8F%E6%96%B9%E6%A1%88%E5%97%8E-4ea401b3f081) 2. [Rentea 與合作社、社區設計的關係](https://medium.com/rentea-tuesday/%E5%A6%82%E4%BD%95%E9%81%8E%E7%90%86%E6%83%B3%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB-a39184fb3f2b) 3. [第一間房子專案](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@ddio/corent) 4. `進階` [二房東商業模式實例分析](https://medium.com/rentea-tuesday/imaging-coop-rental-house-b60efce35b6b) ## 小聚紀錄 ---- [整體規劃](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@ddio/corent/https%3A%2F%2Fg0v.hackmd.io%2FbLBDNWBJTH-XB0Nv95-D2g) 1. 浴室 1. 果然全都只有泥做灰灰的,太壓迫太像工地啦,至少要做個淺色的天花板 2. 可以考慮木製品、鐵製品、燈光設計/採光,降低壓迫感 3. 木製品怕發霉,但做完哲輔的問卷,發現浴室要放的東西很少,是有餘育花點心思放裝飾的 4. 找泥做來看時,可以問便討論乾溼分離的材質,很多種 2. 廚房 1. 系統廚具也可以問特力屋,比一線系統廚具便宜,之前做 270cm 上下櫃,大約八九萬。特力屋會先開粗抓的估價單,確定材料後,才會開細的。 2. 詢價時記得問保固,每家不同 3. 廚房抽屜 1. 做沒把手的,走路不會撞到,也比較好清潔 2. 可以要求做防蟑裝置,蟑螂進不去,機構的設計,即使進去之後也很難爬 > [stella] 防蟑設計 : 踢腳板+ 防蟑排水孔 可在廚櫃與地板銜接處,規劃踢腳板設計,能降低蟑螂直接爬進廚櫃的狀況。特別是老公寓這類排水系統老舊的房子,最易產生從排水孔散發惡臭的問題。如遇廚房設有地排,改換安裝防蟑排水孔、落水頭等產品,只要關起排水孔蓋就能達到防蟑、防臭的效果。內容來源:https://www.searchome.net/article.aspx?id=21709 5. 流理臺大約 230cm ,可以做一欄拉抽,一欄普通層架,洗手台下面留空通風就好 5. 流理臺大約 230cm ,可以做一欄拉抽,一欄普通層架,洗手台下面留空通風就好 6. 鍋具要放流理臺的抽屜的話,很容易卡到,能擺進去的數量會比預想的還要少 1. 如果有很大的鍋子,那整條鍋具會占住抽屜中間,導致其他東西很難放進來 > 大鍋子找其他地方放,只有一個 38cm 的,剩下都是 30cm 以內 2. 要認真算過才會知道 7. 推薦可以做一格[調味罐抽屜](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/541276448975219719/) 8. 碗盤預計會放在原本的宜得利整理箱中,放在開放式層架上 1. 只有筷子湯匙等,因為想要有比較大的收納,所以移去流理臺抽屜 9. 電器(抽油煙機、瓦斯爐)自己買,都會比廠商買還便宜,只是要先講好型號,讓廠商知道要預留什麼樣的孔,以及安裝方式。 3. 水電估價 1. 台電重拉的部份,要 9 萬,和原本想的差不多 2. 室內電線重拉高很多,含料 7 萬,也跟我們說得很不清楚,而且屋況不確定有關 > 下次找水電時,要直接出插座的圖,方便溝通,不然估價單就會寫成「一式」,我如果是水電,也會抓高一點,預防意外 3. 照 #29 小聚說法,不會直接把整張估價單公開,減少爭議 5. 其他 1. 水電敲下來的東西,可以自己丟垃圾車嗎? 2. 可以問水電流理臺底下可能有什麼,簡單的話,或許可以自己拆? 6. 如果有錢做窗戶,最想改落地窗,去特力屋也可以看窗戶 7. 想知道光影、地板紋路的感覺,可以用 floorplanner 匯出 3D 渲染圖,比線上版貼近實際情況非常多,也可以調整各種角度的光源,多匯出幾張,幾歐元就解決了 8. 各個工程的驗收方式,[驗收](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ8B04Qf_is)(影片為買房驗收,有提到電 / 水 / 浴室一些工程的驗收可做為參考) ---- 一起寫文章 1. 想要先收集參與者的經驗的話,可以用 user journey 方式,先做一個出來,在大松時收集各種經驗,之後再整理分類,看要如何呈現 > [stella] 目前想到從「找房 ----> 入住」,大概會經過的歷程 : 找房前 > 找房中 > 找房後 > 裝修前 > 裝修中 > 裝修後 > 入住前 > 入住。大家可以分享各自每個階段會做哪些事情,以這些事情做為文章主題,將經歷撰寫、分享 2. 可以用 miro (可能有共同編輯人數限制),或是 fig jam(一次只能搬一張便利貼),大松時揪大家一起來補充。 {%hackmd 1LO5rpavTiK4_cFrTouudg %}

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