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--- tags: Rentea --- # Rentea Tuesday #47-50 小筆記 - 文件授權: [CC-BY-4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.zh_TW) - 地點: - 實體參與 - #49:第一間房子 - 不知道地址的人,請 g0v slack 聯繫 ddio - 參與本次實體活動需出示:完整三劑疫苗証明,或 24h 內快篩。 - #50: 八米共同工作空間 - 台北市大安區和平東路二段107巷23弄6號 - https://www.8meterscoworking.com/ - 線上視訊:Jitsi - 網址: https://meet.jit.si/rentea-tuesday - 建議使用 Chrome 或手機 App 開啟,較不容易斷線 - 時間: - 2022-07-19 19:00 - 21:00 - 2022-07-05/06-21/06-07, 19:30 - 21:30 - 報名請在此簽到: - ddio - 阿尼 - YC ## 未開放實體聚會期間 來參加活動前,請: - 確認視訊會議器材運作正常,並盡量使用耳機,減少回音。 - 確認被攝影機拍到的部份,包含服裝與背景,沒有不可告人的畫面,也可使用虛擬背景,或不開鏡頭。 - 歡迎各種食物酒水、室友小孩與重要他人入鏡,但記得先徵得對方同意。 更多視訊會議秘訣,請參見 [g0v 視訊會議小秘訣](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@jothon/r1jZoue0U) ## 本次小聚主題 小聚依然是照往例的閒聊,想要分享什麼的,可以在這兒登記 - 後第一間房子提案 - 服務設計 x 跨界實做 - [共筆](https://g0v.hackmd.io/vhCCXl1tQBKA0gdixZw_jA) - ==歡迎直接在這裡,加上你想要聊的題目== ### 新參者入門 鑑於 Rentea 小聚已有各種累積,包含租屋與居住產業的關係、為什麼想強調合作經濟而非純商業經營,歡迎第一次報名的人,請[閱讀此投影片](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1npSfDj9LPqHDLgB8r1aZKP2meSicBESnx8oSRTEGjnE/edit#slide=id.p),了解 Rentea 參與者的基本共識,也可參考 [Rentea Tue Hackmd](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@ddio/rentea-tue/) 閱讀完整資訊: 1. [為什麼要關注租屋,把它當作居住的解方之一](https://medium.com/rentea-tuesday/%E9%81%B8%E6%93%87%E7%A7%9F%E5%B1%8B-%E4%B9%9F%E8%83%BD%E5%BB%BA%E7%AB%8B%E6%B0%B8%E7%BA%8C%E7%9A%84%E5%B1%85%E4%BD%8F%E6%96%B9%E6%A1%88%E5%97%8E-4ea401b3f081) 2. [Rentea 與合作社、社區設計的關係](https://medium.com/rentea-tuesday/%E5%A6%82%E4%BD%95%E9%81%8E%E7%90%86%E6%83%B3%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB-a39184fb3f2b) 3. [第一間房子專案](https://g0v.hackmd.io/@ddio/corent) 4. `進階` [二房東商業模式實例分析](https://medium.com/rentea-tuesday/imaging-coop-rental-house-b60efce35b6b) ## #50 小聚紀錄 1. 弱勢居住 > [name=aniii] 覺得光是找到、判斷誰是「弱勢」居住,就很難,因為目前沒有一致的標準,社會局也是用標籤,沒有統整的方式 > [name=ddio] 現金流的正負,會影響你的捐款意願嗎? > [name=aniii] 覺得重要的是要讓這件事情可以持續做下去,不然: > 1. 做一次,錢花完就沒了 > 2. 住在裡面的人也需要改變,因為後續的硬體維護還是要成本。得仰賴「因為住進比較好的房子」,所以「住戶的行為因此改變」 1. 包租代管補助 - 2019-08-15 [新北市說明會紀錄](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BbNIQ3tWjyvuU4liNNZa5cYIJbwaJ1CEg_nkdmVZhTw/edit?usp=sharing) - 包租包管,上限租金 18k ,成交傭金 1.5 個月,月管理費 25% 租金 - 管理費要用在行政、修繕 1. 包租代管業者資訊: - 共筆入口:[內政部社會住宅包租代管專區](https://pip.moi.gov.tw/V3/B/SCRB0504.aspx?mode=P3) - 業者問與答:https://pip.moi.gov.tw/V3/B/SCRB0504.aspx?mode=QA&PGID=202 - 租金市價上限,包租再打 8 折:![](https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/g0v-hackmd-images/uploads/upload_1fbd580ae347aef26a23c92bc1ebbcf5.png) - 租金上限,也會看[單位坪數租金](https://pip.moi.gov.tw/Upload/File/B0504/P3/%E3%80%8C%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E4%BD%8F%E5%AE%85%E5%8C%85%E7%A7%9F%E4%BB%A3%E7%AE%A1%E8%A8%88%E7%95%AB%E3%80%8D%E5%B9%B4%E5%BA%A6%E7%A7%9F%E9%87%91%E6%B0%B4%E6%BA%96%E5%8D%80%E9%96%93%E8%A1%A811006%E7%89%88.pdf) - 內政部營建署社會住宅包租代管第3期計畫 [[pdf](https://pip.moi.gov.tw/Upload/File/B0504/P3/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E4%BD%8F%E5%AE%85%E5%8C%85%E7%A7%9F%E4%BB%A3%E7%AE%A1%E7%AC%AC3%E6%9C%9F%E8%A8%88%E7%95%AB(%E4%BF%AE%E6%AD%A3%E6%A0%B8%E5%AE%9A%E6%9C%AC).pdf)] - ![](https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/g0v-hackmd-images/uploads/upload_00c58a45ec9b8a941d30dd2dbcbfdf80.png) - ![](https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/g0v-hackmd-images/uploads/upload_4e91ce5a49665feef01a02917f6ad3a4.png) ### 崔媽媽成本粗估 1. 第一階段目粗估每月 4124÷1.17% = 352,478 2. 第一年目標 11 戶,平均每戶預算 352,478 * 12 / 11 = 384,521 3. 包租代管三期補助:開發費單次 24,000 ,包管費每年 48,000 4. 總計每戶現金流: - 現金流入: - 單次:384,521 + 開發費 24,000 = 408,521 - 每月:房客租金 + 包管費 4,000 - 每年:修繕費用 10,000 - 現金流出: - 單次: - 整建維修 11.97% - 家具家電 9.36% - 搬家補助 3.84% - 每月: - 行政後勤 16.29% - 房東租金 - 居住社工 9.02% - 手續雜費 0.67% - 租屋補助 15.53% > 文案有提到依房客能力收取合理租金,所以要把薪水 - 租金補助之間的差距填起來 5. 假設: 1. 一戶兩間,是要給兩個家庭,還是兩個單身? => 弱勢是誰? - 是一間住一組人,還是宿舍? - 推測比較有機會是家庭,因為整層住宅有公共區域,共居難度較高 - 但應該至少是整層住宅 3. 房客的租金,夠付房東的租金嗎? 6. 想問崔媽媽的問題: 1. TA弱勢者是誰? 身分認定、尋租模式、家庭型態... 2. 目標的居住型態:單一家庭 vs 多組單人共居 3. 除了募款、房東外,還想要哪些協助?像是: - 平價節能(隔熱、通風)、家電贊助 - 企業贊助 - 城鄉所、maker 社群等等 - 建築專業者 4. 想找甚麼特性的房子?屋齡區間、房屋型態、屋況等 5. 租屋補助分級方式? 6. 正向循環的可能 ### 相關專案 1. 財務支援 - 王道銀行[影響力定存](https://csr.cw.com.tw/article/41826) 2. 能源弱勢: - 宜蘭縣環保局 - [弱勢能源福利計畫](https://energy-smartcity.energypark.org.tw/asset/upload/2020%E5%9F%B9%E5%8A%9B%E8%AA%B2%E7%A8%8B-%E5%BC%B1%E5%8B%A2%E8%83%BD%E6%BA%90%E9%97%9C%E6%87%B7/7-%E5%AE%9C%E8%98%AD%E5%BC%B1%E5%8B%A2%E8%83%BD%E6%BA%90%E7%A6%8F%E5%88%A9%E8%A8%88%E7%95%AB.pdf) (由 YC 提供) - DOMI - [點亮無窮計畫](https://www.domiearth.com/blog-a11/energypoverty) - 英國的能源貧窮專書,[社服政策對能源消費的影響](https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-99432-7),出自[趙家緯臉書](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=5559428834075389&set=a.258013944216931) ## #49 小聚紀錄 1. 服務設計提案 - 其他切入方法? - PN: 吸引力法則,像是 OURS - 合作住宅 、禮物經經 - 徵求房東,都是先有宣傳,才找到原本沒有要放到 591 上的房子 - Aniii: 這樣是不是要先有比較具體的方案? - Aniii: 先找業內人士訪談,再來 591 做質性 - ddio: 社造呢? - Aniii: 我的習慣是訪談,盤點資源,再看可以去哪兒 2. 跨界實做 - Aniii: 覺得實做是可以激起更多動力的機會,從之前 Rentea 的經驗看來 - ddio: 節能的部份,有些友善的公司,像是綠適居、左木工作室 {%hackmd 1LO5rpavTiK4_cFrTouudg %}

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