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tags: jothon, g0v-intl, denmark
description: 外交部歐洲司介紹五位來自丹麥的學者、專家將訪臺，希望可以認識 g0ver 與 g0v 社群。
tittle: 丹麥學者專家訪臺團對談會
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# 丹麥學者專家訪臺團對談會
主題：瞭解 g0v 社群
> 外交部歐洲司介紹五位來自丹麥的學者、專家將訪臺，希望可以認識 g0ver 與 g0v 社群。
時間：2020.01.08（三） 16:30-18:00
地點：[KITCHEN LAB, NPO HUB](https://g.page/NPOHUBTaipei?share)（g0v jothon office）
出席：丹麥學者專家、外交部歐洲司人員、g0v jothon、g0v-intl
備註：g0v jothon 將準備少量茶飲（可不可紅茶綠茶共 13 杯）與點心，請務必報名並請提早到場入座。
# 其他出席報名
> 有興趣出席的 g0ver 歡迎報名，請在 2020.01.07 TUE 18:00 之前簽到，若未報名，請勿直接前來與會。
> 範例：Bess, g0v jothon
ael, Disfactory
peace, vtaiwan
mg, mom
# 會議內容
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> [name=ael] I try my best to record but can't type all converation.
Denmark delegation background:
- Think Tank
- hate speech, disinformation
- security in East Asia, China influence
g0v participant intro:
clkao: engineer, g0v introduction
isabel: law consultant, g0v-intl to outreach global community, Facing the Ocean Hackathon with Japan and Korea
chihao: g0v-intl, technologist in independent media, 0archive to backup media and content farm articles as disinformation database
bess: Jothon, bi-weekly hackathon, zero-school: education applications
ichieh: Jothon
Peace: marketing in publisher, NGO, media, vTaiwan. change social issue by technology
ael: PM in Disfactory, writer, will write collaborative tool
mg: Anthropologist, Mom, based in Boston
### Disinformation and fake news
Q1: trade out on freedom of speech and anti-disinformation
clkao: this is the 4th eletion g0v community experience. The very beginning is more to understand what is going on in election.
Campaign finance to be more transparent. The campaign finance is only open to public in print. Some first attemps are to get digital political contributions as dataset.
1. Crowdsourcing: citizens to bring ID cards to scan the printed file
2. OCR:
3. cut into small blocks
4. online game as reCAPTCHA to digitalize
5. 30 k records digitalized by 10 k people
6. legal lobby: 5 years after we started. Open digital files 6 months after election.
Q2: Do you see China influence in the project?
clkao: main stream media follow up the stories behind it. A good report to pay one side. There is no direct links to china because it is a public document
Q3: anything related to election?
chihao: Voter guide since 2014
completeing dataset: current and past policy, laws they proposed.
Q4: You don't affiliate with any political parties?
chihao: no, and we are a community not legal entity. People can come and go.
isabel: bess and ichieh are staff
clkao: there is always individual position.
choose what data and what project you work on show your values already.
Q5: What issues do you do to make sure the candidates
chihao: 2020 Voter Guide: no priorities and suggestions. just show public records. Show Facebook political ad. past law and attendance rate
(showing the website)
Q: do you add lobby meeting records?
isabel: no.
Q: EU level lobby meeting records are open
isabel: g0v open source projects. others can fork
Q; what is your relation with political parties?
chihao: each project has their own governance models. I personally don't affiliate to any parties
clkao: we encourage political parties and government officials to propose in the hackathon
Q: how the government react to g0v? you are changing the government should look like.
thats is the original idea
clkao: it depends on different government agencies.
data visualization and politic contributions and candidate opinions( now release before election ) are good stories.
government is a complicated machine.
OGP initiatives
Audrey
There will be something like OGP action plan of open government at the end of Jan.
Q: Cofacts project. Hear more about that project and other disinformation projects?
isabel: I provide legal consulting to them. Cofacts is a Line bot that you can forward messages to Cofacts line bot.
into database
volunteers to do factchecks
monthly meetup for editors
weekly developer meetup
legal advice on copyright.
New law will affect it?( didn't hear what law it is，反滲透法)
they actually just combine existing laws and redefine
What is the punishment?
clkao: all the efforts trying to combact mis, dis, mal- information. They are dealing with rumors spreading in closed group.
how many people are using it?
clkao: they prepare dataset as open data. and open source their codes.
美玉姨
clkao: at first it is not targeting political messages but messages on health.
q: like vaccinne ?
isabel: yes
and cofacts has a fork in Thailand.
Q: international collaboration. How do you assesst the strength and situation compared to Korea and Japan.
clkao: we have more 嚴重的 threat
chihao: we are more awared.
isabel: Japan media is more neutral.
chihao: Many Korean friedns told me they are not reading main stream media.
......not recording because typing too slow
Q:
resilience towards disinformation
trust in established media
in Sweden, debate on immigrants are underground. more like taboos
in Denmark
Q: do you have taboos
clkao: I don't think so.
Everything is discussed
netizen movement
support groups for young people to talking to older generation
Camila:
you facilitate conversations that traditionally initiated by traditional media?
isabel:
bring more people to discuss
chihao: the founder of cofacts was concerned about rumors on LGBTQ+
in g0v, good thing is that we don't just talk about worries but also build solutions.
......
ael: factcheck alliance initiated by HC
no clear line
chihao: many media. flourishing fields
you don't know how to build a trust of random websites just popping up yesterday.
Q: what are the sources you personally read for this elections?
isabel: for me. it is more from Facebook.
Before election, we talked to Facebook Taiwan. They are doing something in this election.
clkao:
Facebook actions:
Political ad transparency
Takedown transparency policy
q: do you expect more regulation on social media?
clkao:I don't think we have consensus
isabel: personally, I want to work with people globally to make those policies more transparent. How they decide things
clkao: regulation on the level requires transparency. content regulation will be more debates
chihao: Taiwanese are really sensitive to freedom of speech
: Germany has more strict regulations.
Singapore is strict, too
There is a new case: example of fake news are report of Human Right Watch on media freedom of Singapore
isabel:
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q: public pressure on disinformation regulation?
chihao: it is not wide discussion. mostly in people working in the field
...
0archive: backing up news and content farms
under g0v model: open source and transparent
open source codes and open source dataset
monitoring 130 website
200k articles: tracking their version
clkao: similar efforts tracking news titles by ronnywang
q: what kind of patterns do you see?
chihao: those questions... we need to look into data first, can't answer at this time
clako: the original idea is to find the flow of some certain news
q: the food chain?
yes
q: what is a content farm?
clkao: operators that don't own their own contents but put articles on their websites
q: how serious the problem of disinformation in Taiwan?
chihao: for me, 11 out of 10.
Taiwan is a place that can not afford experiments what sources we trust
our soverinty is very fragile.
...
q: moral panic. When you are panic, you don't make wise dicision
isabel: each side calls each other being "brainwashed"
...
clkao: disinformation is now weaponized
I do believe when people cultivate
it is more important what we can do in the process
issues not tackled in elections but also in normal time
how to debate and deliberate in day to day democracy
q: generational thing. whats the bottom-up thing
isabel:
in g0v, try to collaborate together to make changes
don't just complaint
find solutions with others
you can propose those ideas and work together
we are trying to invite more older generation to our community this year
they can feel the energy in the community
make people more included
chihao:
I met one staff from 國史館
she showed me the dataset of 228 incidents
we work together
she was the age as my Mom
might sound 嬉皮
q: what you should identify the disinformation concern you the most?
isabel: they simplyze issues
chiaho: I see many consiparacy theory
...
主權
china threat
chihao: one country two system is a large disinformation
China policy is to make friends
...
ael:
it is more like reshaping narratives on
whether Taiwan economics is good or narratives on US-China Trade War
national identiy
...
clkao: more propoganda
...
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q: HK affects the poll? more Taiwanese change their attitude?
...
isabel: we are too far away from Southern part of Taiwan
we are away from their perspectives
chihao: for most young people, HK is a proof of one country 2 system wdoesn't work.
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